Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitloginTell HN: I'm sick of AI everything346 points by jonthepirate 52 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 193 commentsA while back, I stopped using Facebook because I just couldn't take it anymore. Just totally sick of it. I'm honestly getting there with AI. At this point, I would prefer to have anything AI related just be blocked at the browser level. corvus-cornix 52 days ago | next [–] I'm looking at engineering job specs at the moment and it's very wearisome that every company seems to have pivoted from highlighting the unique value they provide to customers to putting AI front and centre in their employer branding. My eyes immediately glaze over at what may have been the result of "Claude, take this HR/marketing/whatever copy and inject some AI".I've adopted the tools because they're useful, but businesses need to chill. AI seems to amplify existing bottlenecks within organisations, so we should probably tread carefully when it comes to pushing the tech. Fix the organisational problems first and hedge our bets.I wonder if anyone reading this was around during the dot-com bubble because maybe it felt the same...acdha 51 days ago | parent | next [–] I was around then. This feels similar from the perspective of stock prices just going up for absolutely absurd reasons—Allbirds would have fit right in—but AI in some ways seems even worse because much of what was being hawked in the dotcom era was at least something that real people would want to buy: usually poorly executed and unsustainably priced but e.g. Kozmo.com wasn't wrong that a ton of people would love to order stuff and have it brought to your home or office. I had some business meetings with pets.com and they were unbelievably bloated—think a room full of people openly admitting that they were just killing time waiting for the IPO so they could cash out their options—but tons of people buy pet food, toys, and medicine online today.In contrast, a lot of companies are just wedging AI into things where ordinary people don't want or benefit from it anywhere near the level needed to actually pay for it, especially with unreliability being an unsolved problem—the amount you'd pay for something to, say, summarize boring business documents goes down considerably when you have to closely read the original looking for errors and omissions and scrutinize any response to make sure it's not critically flawed.There's also a weird difference in enthusiasm based on the societal impacts: the web let you do things you couldn't do before, but a lot of AI tools and services are really oriented at your boss’ boss’ boss’ boss’ boss saying they can layoff half of your department and still get more work out of the survivors. There's some cool stuff, yes, but unlike the mood during the dotcom era we now have a prominent tone of dread about deprofessionalization and larger concerns about how businesses will even work if a significant chunk of customers are pushed out of stable employment.tcholewik 51 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I’m sorry but can you elaborate on how Allbirds fit in here? Thats just seems like a random reference that I do not understand.acdha 50 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Allbirds was a shoe company which was failing due to poor management but saw their stock spike when they said they were pivoting to AI.https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BIRD/This felt a lot like the various companies which got a lot of attention for taking an existing business concept, adding “on the internet”, and cratering when it became obvious they lacked a viable business.chorkpop 51 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Allbirds recently decided to pivot to AI. Yes, the shoe company.drob518 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Yes, I was around then. It felt exactly the same. That’s how you know it’s a bubble. Because everyone starts acting stupid and conjuring up all these ridiculous explanations for why it makes sense when it plainly doesn’t. In 1999, everything was about the Internet, even when it didn’t make sense. Every company was saying that to be left out of the “Internet revolution” was a fast path to bankruptcy. It’s the same with AI today. Yes, the Internet was important and some companies did get displaced, but most didn’t. So too for AI.bink-lynch 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I was around during the dot-com bubble. When it popped it popped pretty quickly. It wasn't a slow leak. Everything needed to be a dot-com and everything was centered around being a dot-com no matter what the business actually did. Money was pouring and almost anything dot-com was getting funding.I moved to a dot-com right at the tail end of it. We built a pretty decent startup from scratch within the first two months and debuted at one of the largest trade shows in the world. We had our own private label factoring credit card and we did credit card transactions over the internet and with handheld cellular devices. It was built to scale, colocated, and we were getting customers. When the floor dropped out it was done in less than two months. dot-com was a very negative thing for a while after that.danaris 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] It's definitely looking like we've passed the peak of the S-curve here.But there is one difference between now and the dot-bomb that could make the shape of what's next different (note, only "could"; it might very well be very similar): with the massively increased financialization of everything, the link between reality and stocks/private equity investment has become much more tenuous. Speculative investors, as a group, know to some extent that they can keep the bubble going just by continuing to buy.For a time.But eventually they will have exhausted all they can squeeze from the "greater fools", and someone's risk analysis department will say "if we don't sell it all now, we'll be stuck holding the bag." And that will start a cascade. Because the other big difference between 2000 and today is the degree of automation in trading....skyberrys 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] I was a teenager around the dot-com and to this day I feel an idealized sense of longing for participation in the exciting times of the dot-coms. You guys got to enjoy the blazing innovation of the new internet, so full of endless possibilities. Tough luck on your bubble popping moment though.MattPalmer1086 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Well, it was exciting I guess. I even knew someone who worked for pets.com!On the other hand, I worked for a startup selling product information management software to large retailers, and was about as non dot-com as you could get. When the bubble burst, all the funding disappeared for all tech companies, not just the dot-com ones, so we were also all out of a job. Which was not fun.mech422 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] The sad part wasn't the bubble bursting...It was watching all the potential being squandered and the internet basically being relegated to click farming and selling people crap they don't need.All the really cool stuff seems to have died with the bubble...wallst07 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I think the sad part was the people entering the IT workforce for only money. Don't get me wrong, I understand why and not gatekeeping. But it was the first time I know that people with computer skills were highly in demand, so anyone who had turned on a computer was able to get a job even if they knew nothing of how a computer actually worked, or networking.CSSer 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] You're still around :)ruicraveiro 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] If only the Internet were much more frequently as nice as your reply. :-)IndySun 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] >You're still around :)You sound like my doctor! : )mech422 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] LOL - True Dat !! Thanks!drumdance 47 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] The spam results dominating Google, runaway popups... ughskyberrys 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Ah man, you are too right there. Now cool stuff requires wading through trash to find it.jlaternman 51 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I was also around then, and actually it did feel exactly the same now that you say. Sense of sailing towards an unknown destination that seemed very exciting, but was clear we didn't quite get what it was yet and were working out the destination mid-flight.pojzon 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Fixing organisational issues is hard and expensive.Slapping AI on everything is easy in comparison. And mentioning AI to investors makes them drop pants.ofjcihen 52 days ago | prev | next [–] For me it’s just become…incredibly boring.There’s something uninspiring about a machine thats supposed to “do the hard things for you” so to speak. I like using my mind and understanding things deeply.Sure you could say that “managing the AI” can be deeply understood in a way but it’s just not exciting.paul7986 52 days ago | parent | next [–] "But just need to know how to prompt AI properly to..,"- Write a new top 40 song no talent required- Write a business email, a school paper, etc & no talent required- Design a logo, a website, an app, a billboard, etc and no talent required.AI is the best thing to happen to humanity as it mimics & steals humanity for a few pie holes and us the majority does nothing to stop it!basch 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] The Top 40 songs were already soulless.Now that anyone can generate a halfway decent pop song at the snap of the finger leads to one of three outcomes. We all just listen to our own interactive stations and have no shared culture, pressure is put on industry to differentiate with a higher quality product, the technology is democratizing and unlocks a new generation of creatives who are able to work with it creating an amplified output.defrost 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] #4 Some continue merrily onwards with weekly / regular jam sessions with friends and passers through, catering to all skill levels and largely ignoring top 40 and AI trends.tim333 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Not all of them. It's hard to get chart hits with AI. I've got a friend who tries but the AI songs are all kind of mediocre.greenrd 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] I don't understand your comment. It's poorly-punctuated, and its hard to figure out what your position is. What's a "pie hole" as a metaphor for a person? Is that what you meant?paul7986 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] My tone is a sarcastic depressive one attempting to convey the ridiculousness of the vaccuum we are in. A vaccuum that a few pie holes (nicer word then a-hole) have created and are benefitting greatly from while it causes many to millions lots of stress/anxiety/pain.koonsolo 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Are you suggesting AI can understand things deeply?LLM's are fast at applying information, but thinking deeply, they do not.I love LLM's, because now I can focus more on the creative and thinking deep aspect, and leave most of the typing and stack overflow browsing to the LLM.journeyman3538 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] That’s more of a personal problem isn’t it. You can now work on things that are more valuable. Your old work and interests can be taken up as an art instead: to be enjoyed instead of existing for its function.absynth 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] New role unlocked: starving artist!Your parents could afford a house, have kids etc etc at a far younger age but now you are single with no kids and choosing food or rent or power. You spin the wheel! Lucky! You get to eat.Progress!ofjcihen 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] I think in a certain way your reply has underlined exactly why this AI frenzy has made things so uninteresting. Just maybe not the way you intended.throwanem 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Oh, he knows what he said. That's why he made a sockpuppet account to say it.guzfip 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] > You can now work on things that are more valuableSo can any other idiot. And we only need so many of them.theshrike79 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] That's just silly. AI is really bad at the hard things. What it's really good at is automating the tedium away.Like I had a connector made for service X. Needed one for Y and Z, all use the same basic authentication scheme, but slight differences on where they want the bits set at.That used to be a week-long project easily with me going through the docs for each service, maybe copy-pasting something from service X and modifying the bits by hand.Now I can just go "look at projects/service-x-api, now do that but for Service Y in projects/service-y-api" to an agent, tab away and come back to a 90-100% working thing. It went through the API documentation by itself, looked up some blog posts on the undocumented crap they added in January that broke the official flow and made it work.Meanwhile I could do something with actual impact, helped other people learn stuff and wrote internal guidelines.vrighter 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I have never had it automate any tedium for me. Because if I didn't write it, I need to scrutinize all of it, but without the benefit of a prebuilt mental model. Reading through tons of similar looking code (because it's supposed to automate boilerplate) looking for subtle mistakes is mind numbingly boring. It's like looking at a wall full of periods in font size 8, and trying to find the one comma.theshrike79 51 days ago | root | parent | next [–] _Writing_ tons of similar looking code is equally error prone.Only a complete psycho doesn't copy-paste code when doing something thats 90% repetitive.Ironically our AI PR review has caught a bunch of those during unrelated commits :Dcortesoft 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I am curious where you draw your line. We have all sorts of “machines that do the hard things for you”, do you shun them all? Cars, washing machines, lawnmowers, etc…I know that AI has some different characteristics than those technologies, but my point is that I don’t think your issue is that does the hard things for you… there has to be something else going on.ofjcihen 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I don’t know that washing machines have replaced understanding things on a deep level but if they have for you I’m very curious to hear how.whattheheckheck 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] The zen of doing your chores by handtheshrike79 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] There's a specific set of people who get a Zen feeling from doing things the long way.I'm not one of those, my brain doesn't give me any more dopamine whether I spent a long time doing a thing or took a shortcut. I don't even get dopamine from completing the task, I just get a list of more things that need to be done.customguy 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Thinking about the world and oneself isn't a repetitive chore in the way washing your clothes is."I doubt, therefore I think, I think, therefore I am" -- if I no longer think, what's left? Biomass? Why us then.. why not goo, or just more parking space?whattheheckheck 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Energy and awareness. Were more empty than whole and the cells that do make up an invididual are not 100% human. And all of it the periodic table of elementsnunez 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] fwiw i still wash my clothes by hand when I travel! it's a very useful skill!tacostakohashi 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Another example of a machine that does the hard things for you that springs to mind is... a computer.fatbird 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] Are you this patronizing and condescending in the rest of your life?cortesoft 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I am sorry if I came off that way, that was not my intent.ffsm8 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I find comments like yours very strange.> do the hard things for youThe only people advocating for that are the same kind of people which were pitching the cloud as a solution for your hosting needs.Ime the sweet spot for development with LLMs is to figure out what you need to do and then do that through AI. Yes, it'll still make some decisions there, but did you really get satisfaction from the decisions of eg what to call a class before? At last I didn't.You can of course try to offload everything to the LLM and not tell it what to do, but only specify what it should enable (spec driven), but at that point youre gambling wherever the output will work and the project becomes unmaintainable - which may be fine too in certain scenarios, that's just pretty rare in a business contextwhattheheckheck 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] What's your claim to fame for life's work of using your mind?ofjcihen 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Being the first in my family to rise out of poverty through self education.To be fair your response seems somewhat revealing of your own situation.whattheheckheck 51 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Thats amazing, great job. I was curious. Only somewhat. Thanks for sharingphyzix5761 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Controversial take:I would rather spend 2 hours working on a problem, fully thinking through all the approaches and design considerations, than have an LLM write some code and be done in 30 minutes.That's just a lot more fun for me.I still use LLMs for faster, focused, searches that cater the results to my specific needs; but I'd still rather build stuff with my own hands.thelastgallon 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Yes, a lot of posts on HN are also about AI. Used to have more variety.otterley 52 days ago | parent | next [–] There is a bright side, though: At least we’ve stopped talking about crypto.keanebean86 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] There was also 15 "why I replaced tredge.Js with slametic.js" posts a day.drob518 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] When the AI bubble pops, we’re all going back to talking crypto.jbxntuehineoh 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] very exciting time in crypto with NIST finally standardizing a bunch of pq stuff! (that's what we're going to be talking about, right???)drob518 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Naw, in another five minutes it’ll be something different. But it will be about crypto.chromacity 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] What's especially frustrating is that the posts about AI are also disproportionately written by AI. I can sort of understand that people who are very enthusiastic about LLMs also use them for blogging. But the most bizarre part is that a lot of anti-AI opinion pieces are LLM-generated too. Either cynical click-sploitation or extreme hypocrisy.jbxntuehineoh 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Society_of_the_Spectaclearchagon 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] At this point it's easiest to just ignore and/or flag everything with an .ai domain.olalonde 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] They're now paying and training people to produce more AI doom slop, so it's only going to get worse: https://www.plzdontkillus.com/shantnutiwari 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Reddit's /r/programming banned all AI related posts temporarily. And I must admit, it made the place more interesting.Maybe have AI Tuesdays, where you only post AI crap every Tuesday?ghexplore 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] For me the biggest loss was the explore tabs on github, particularly the trending repositories. You used to be able to go there and find a trendy project or two.Nowadays, either it is something with an outstanding presentation like copyparty, or it's all just AI and AI serving schlock.thefz 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I filtered out most of the buzzwords in my RSS reader and HN has gone back to being semi-enjoyable.classified 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Please share your prompt.postalcoder 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] It doesn't have to be that way. Filter it out! https://hcker.news/?ai=excludeclassified 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] It's shocking how few articles remain after draining the AI cesspit.merryocha 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I noticed recently that there are new "AI Widget" and "Chat Widget" EasyList filters in the uBlock Origin Annoyances filter lists. I'm not sure when they were added but they weren't checked by default for me. They definitely help clear some of the clutter.themafia 52 days ago | parent | next [–] Install Chrome update. Network usage goes off the charts. Close Chrome it goes away. Check task manager. No processes claim the downloads. Use firefox to search around for why.Apparently "on-device AI models" are a thing. And are downloaded separately after the install of Chrome.Deeply frustrating on a mobile connection.maplethorpe 52 days ago | prev | next [–] AI has helped me rediscover my love of coding. It helps me write my emails for me, puts together my shopping list, and gives me advice on how to structure my day. AI tells me what to do. I don't have to fear my choices anymore, because AI makes the choices for me.kibibu 52 days ago | parent | next [–] Sam and Dario were in the closet making AIs and I saw one of the AIs and the AI looked at me.derwiki 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] The AI looked at you?!derwiki 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] When Claude had an outage I forgot how to walk up stairs and couldn’t look it up so I waited for someone to come and get meaarjaneiro 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Step 1: remove reference to blockchainStep 2: insert reference to AIcortesoft 52 days ago | parent | next [–] I do find it somewhat interesting that crypto mining firms are perfectly placed to pivot to AI. Both ventures involve building out large clusters of machines to use GPUs to convert electricity into money.jaredklewis 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I would have thought the bulk of the crypto mining was done using ASICs.Still a lot of overlap with running a datacenter of ASICs and a datacenter of GPUs, but both are significant capital investments.krackers 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] There's the joke theory that satoshi nakomoto was someone sent back in time to accelerate us towards the singularityvrighter 52 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [–] crypto mining firms have specialized asics for mining. They are incapable of doing anything else.themafia 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Invested half a yard too much in a recent popular technology? No problem, just pivot, then spam Hacker News.sph 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Dude, blockchain was never this bad. There is no way to escape it.samlinnfer 52 days ago | prev | next [–] You’re absolutely right!unethical_ban 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I took compliance training today and the "actors" and voices were AI.After watching the GPT images release video, it reenforced my skepticism that society will adapt. Then I thought about AI analysis of people's movements in public and realized that governments already capture everything, and now will be able to use infinite AI surveillance agents to watch all things all the time.Any disobedience or crime (but really only against the government and gentry) can be instantly investigated by asking AI to analyze the behavior of all people and vehicles in the days prior to and after the incident. That's if they can't identify you immediately at the time of the crime.When the time comes that civilian disorder is required to change the behavior of government, it will be impossible.AI is the destruction of individual freedom. It is the destruction of citizens' ability to rebel against power.We would be far better off without it.Cider9986 52 days ago | parent | next [–] This has been happening in China since 2018[1]. North Korea is able to oppress its citizens just fine without AI. I don't think recent advances are going to revolutionize government oppression.[1] https://inv.thepixora.com/watch?v=CLo3e1Pak-Yyoutube version: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CLo3e1Pak-Yunethical_ban 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] People got to Oregon in the 1800s on wagons, I don't think cars will revolutionize personal travel.Having infinite, instantaneous, amoral agents of the state analyzing video for patterns - some of which humans can't immediately notice - will revolutionize government oppression.And just because NK can already do oppression with a heavy hand doesn't mean western countries won't up their game with more subtlety.keithnz 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I think this is just social media content right? Just don't consume it?Personally I find AI great and where I can , everything is AI enhanced- Coding / Software dev (obvious one)- Health ... been super useful as I recently had a thyroidectomy, it's given me a lot of information the drs didn't and also spotted a mistake my dr made in post surgery symptoms. I maintain my own set of .md files documenting all medical things now.- Shopping. Super useful though still has a way to go, but relative to google I tend to use the AI results more often.- Random problems... Insanely useful!- Fact Checking, pretty good for the most. But you have to fact check your fact checking.- Market Research, surprisingly good- Philosophy, really good and usefulSo basically anything.amoe_ 52 days ago | parent | next [–] > - Philosophy, really good and usefulI have had the opposite experience, philosophy questions tending to show the various chatbots at their most irrational and confabulatory.geraneum 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] I’m curious, could you demonstrate the difference between “Insanely useful!” and “really good and useful”?keithnz 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] not really, it is my subjective view on how "enabling" it is based on previous experience of not having AI.geraneum 45 days ago | root | parent | next [–] I guess words have lost meaning at this point.bambax 52 days ago | prev | next [–] One problem is that when people delegate tasks to AI, they don't themselves learn anything from doing the task -- not just in the general sense of personal improvement, but in the very concrete sense of "what is it that was produced".Before AI, when someone showed you a presentation or an Excel sheet, even if it was complete horseshit that they had made up, they knew what was in it: they knew more about it than you, by definition.Now, not so much; people output things they know nothing about, and when they show it to you they are discovering it just as you are.This is novel, and discomforting.fchicken 52 days ago | parent | next [–] I have a tech support buddy who, while good, allows himself more arrogance than his skills deserve. I asked him what CRC errors, and he said to ask AI, kindly providing me its output:> CRC (Cyclic Redundancy Check) errors on Wi-Fi indicate that data frames were corrupted during transmission, often caused by high electromagnetic interference (EMI), physical layer issues, or faulty hardware. They cause packet loss, slow speeds, and intermittent connectivity. Common solutions include replacing cables, reducing interference, updating drivers, and adjusting radio powerThis is all well and good except: read the prompt carefully. It never actually says what CRC errors are. This is the average AI user: literally work on, build, and fix things without the slightest clue about what it is you're actually working on.He makes >6 figures lol4b11b4 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Yes, the "desirable difficulties" are gone in many areasHonestly, quite a tragedy for many. Myself, I have to be constantly fighting against this to slow myself downgitaarik 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] But you also spend less time on those tasks, allowing you to do more of those tasks. And if you still spend the same amount of time, and use AI as am assistant, and do review the AI's work, then you can actually learn from it faster.But I understand that many people don't do that and just finish their task with AI and then don't do anything anymore.epgui 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] This drives me absolutely nuts.Shocka1 51 days ago | root | parent | next [–] It's from the ground up at this point. I'm in my last Master's course at a very well known and expensive private university in the Northeast. When we have presentations it sometimes feels like maybe 10 to 20% of us actually know the material in our slides. I'm all about generating templates and whatnot, but when every bullet point has an em hyphen and you are stumbling over your words, reading the sentences verbatim and having a hard time expanding on them... That is not someone worthy of being a Master in their field IMO. But these people pay full tuition so I'm assuming they graduate and are all working amongst us.andrei_says_ 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] The equivalent of a student copying their homework.Schools are not publishing houses for homework assignments. Struggling with the homework is the process training the student.WasSilentM68 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I get your frustration.I do not dislike AI. It has potential to change and improve the human condition. With that being said, it has its downsides with workforce displacement being at the top of the list, for me at least. Unemployment, however, has been prevalent in the US for many decades, mostly due to political maneuvering of previous politicians. AI has just made things a bit more difficult for the workforce, especially the recent generations who were already dealing with unemployment due to unmarketable degrees from colleges. I am not ashamed to say that, though I've been in tech for years, I am one of those statistics, unfortunately.To fix this, AI companies should refocus their goals to account for the displacement of human roles as they continue to improve AIs. They should start doing that sooner rather than later.The reality is that AI already does things better than some humans ever could. From what some individuals have been telling me, in education, for example, AI is already disrupting the classrooms. Teachers are feeling the AI-burn in the already declining education sector.Though, I see a decline in human creativity and influence due to AI, I myself have used it to learn certain OS-related concepts or tweaks that would have normally taken me months to figure out had I focused solely on google searches, reddit threads and similar.If I could do more, I would but I am limited by the lack of better, powerful hardware with the price being what they are.noio 52 days ago | parent | next [–] > To fix this, AI companies should refocus their goals to account for the displacement of human roles as they continue to improve AIs. They should start doing that sooner rather than later.It's a good thing then, that corporations have such a good reputation for never externalizing the costs their products inflict on society & the planet.SilentM68 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Ahh, I agree with you there as long as Communism and authoritarianism is not what you are suggesting.Perhaps an overhaul of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996, Corporate Personhood, Limited Liability, Business Judgment Rule, and any other Antitrust Protections, that harm citizens without destroying the fabric of society is in order.Please note that while the, above, protections are substantial, corporations are still subject to various regulations, lawsuits, and legal challenges. However, they represent a significant legal advantage compared to individuals.FYI: I personally am poor as mud and use local LLMs and Ollama to do most AI-related endeavors due to the same reasons you mentioned, including the above research so do not misinterpret my comments.guzfip 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] > Perhaps an overhaul of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996, Corporate Personhood, Limited Liability, Business Judgment Rule, and any other Antitrust Protections, that harm citizens without destroying the fabric of society is in order.I’d say the likelihood of that is about as likely as the Communists dream of revolution.There are two societies. The one you exist in, and the one that the people crafting this kind of legislation. It’s harmful to your society, but beneficial to theirs.nitwit005 52 days ago | prev | next [–] It does feel like a marketing failure. If everyone makes the same claim, it's not differentiating.I remember being frustrated at every company claiming to be "innovative" in a past job search.segmondy 52 days ago | prev | next [–] You can use AI, tell AI to read the page first and if it's AI anything to block it. Vibecode an extension.e38383 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Start at the OS level, you have maybe another 6-12 month left to find something built without AI.So, basically: just bear with us a little bit longer and then drop all computer usage (this will include every tech which blinks).dbg31415 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Nothing makes me hit that close button faster than those fake voices everywhere now. That overly polished narrator on every other TikTok, half the YouTube videos read by the same auto-tuned robot (that apparently people over 60 can't tell is a robot). And don't get me started on streamers with like a confidence voice filter. Fuck all that noise.And it's only going to get worse. Is this what getting old feels like? Hating everything the rest of society is racing to embrace? I keep waiting for the backlash, for people to get sick of the plastic sheen on everything, but they conveyor belt just keeps moving. Maybe I'm just turning into my parents griping about all the weird music videos on MTV? =Pcoffeefirst 52 days ago | parent | next [–] The voice is a real problem. I’m looking to do some basic home improvement stuff. 2 years ago I could YouTube how to do almost anything and find real people with plausible credentials demonstrating it. Today, first you need to dig through everything that isn’t real.nbaksalyar 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] > Is this what getting old feels like? Hating everything the rest of society is racing to embrace?I don’t think so. Some societies are racing to embrace mass surveillance and abuse of civil rights. Pointing this out and complaining about it is not “hate” and not reserved for old people only. :)slappywhite 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I block YouTube channels if I see they use AI slop as their thumbnail image and certainly if they use AI voices once the video starts playing. (This is only feasible because I already select from a highly curated subset of YouTube that generally doesn't use AI.)thefz 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Aside some use cases in which the application of machine learning excels - say speech to text, some audio applications, some image editing applications and summarizing a text, I fail to see the utility of other applications like LLMs. Half of the times they hallucinate and 100% of the times I must double check their output so why not searching by myself in the first place...sph 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Tangential: I’m sick of being addicted to this site. The lowering of the signal-to-noise ratio has made the addiction worse, as I still hope to find a nugget of quality posts among a sea of AI discussion, which is not even technical, just comparing what LLM 1 vs 2 said. Any post by Anthropic & co. (twice a week) gets hundreds of points, goes to the top of the frontpage, and the rest of the week are articles testing/benchmarking/complaining about it. During lulls, we have a slew of opinion blogs where everyone and their dog tell a story about how they used AI to do a thing.At this point I am certain even the most pro AI people on this site would like a bit more variety. The saddest part is that I’ve had to turn to Reddit to get a bit more colour to my media diet.spzb 52 days ago | parent | next [–] You forget the "Show HN: Here's some crap I cobbled together with an LLM" x a million a daybigwheels 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Yeah, Show HN is kinda wrekt.morgengold 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Bombardement of social media with AI blob could very well lead to a complete abadonment from these platforms.Shocka1 51 days ago | parent | next [–] LinkedIn was already bad enough, but now it's really bad. 98% of posts are LLM generated, and the few software engineering jobs posted are getting over 100 applicants in 30 minutes hah!Sibexico 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I'm working with AI since early 00's and it was a lot of fan of this with very little community of an artificial neural networks developers. Now AI is widely available and used by people with discussable level of intelligence to generate tons of slop, so all the internet looks like a big trash bin.alex1138 52 days ago | parent | next [–] It's especially irritating if OpenAI is built off fraud which it could be. It means the whole bubble/genuine current hot thing got off to a bad starttheshrike79 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] It's the whole iceberg thing.There's a LOT going for "AI" and language models in general, but the general population only sees the tip where people post obvious AI slop "art" and screenshot ChatGPT answers on actual questions.Sibexico 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] In this case I'm talking about the internet content only. For sure, I'm worrying way more about aircrafts autopilot system written in Rust by AI. Or about something like a life support systems in the hospital... The end of our civilization will come not from the side where we waiting it for...sys_64738 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I'm sure there's some AI to help you out. The skunkworks AI projects at companies are what people should really be worried about. The current AI stuff is just rudimentary to test the waters.thomasjudge 52 days ago | prev | next [–] well this is overduegnabgib 52 days ago | parent | next [–] Oft posted?Most Americans are using AI but are sick and tired of hearing about it (2 points, 12 days ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47717956I am definitely missing the pre-AI writing era (322 points, 23 days ago, 240 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47571279I am leaving the AI party after one drink (121 points, 25 days ago, 130 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47545030Is anybody else bored of talking about AI? (746 points, 28 days ago, 527 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47508745I'm Sick of This AI Shit [video] (48 points, 2 months ago, 22 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47086392Ask HN: AI Depression (56 points, 2 months ago, 28 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47001833I am just sooo sick of AI prediction content, let's kill it already (74 points, 5 months ago, 71 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45982542'Attention is all you need' coauthor says he's 'sick' of transformers (432 points, 6 months ago, 224 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45690840Ask HN: Is anyone else sick of AI splattered code (89 points, 7 months ago, 84 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45278819dingaling 52 days ago | prev | next [–] My workplace has now blocked Kagi Search because it offers an AI assistant ( only approved AI providers are accessible).AI is ruining everything.fallbackboy 52 days ago | parent | next [–] That seems really unfair because every other search engine also as "AI" integration. Kagi's is tasteful and only used when you seek it out.drob518 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Right behind you.Perenti 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I just wish it did what it said on the tin. Seriously, separating the hype from the reality is so time consuming.an0malous 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I think we’ll look back on this period as The Great Enshittification where everyone ran out of ideas but capitalism demands growth so everything just got worse. The mass manufacturing of mediocre AI content might be the force that ends the digital era and maybe we’ll all just go outside again.georgehotz 52 days ago | parent | next [–] Here's hoping. It's not that there's no new ideas, it's that they don't deliver VC sized returns. The only thing that delivers the returns investors are looking for are Ponzi schemes.gessha 52 days ago | root | parent | next [–] Nothing can beat Ponzi schemes because it's all promises and the returns only trickle up to the top, they are not evenly distributed.There are ideas that can deliver VC-sized returns but they depend on a system state different from ours - scaled up energy system, housing market, education system, manufacturing capacity, research capacity, etc etc. Until we unscrew the current status quo, we(USA) will continue limping through these innovations without the capacity to fully utilize them.sph 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] You think there is a way out for the Internet after the invention of the digital bullshit machine?preetigagarwal 52 days ago | prev | next [–] The AI fatigue is real. The problem is most AI products are just wrappers that add a chat interface to existing tools and call it AI. The ones that actually stick are the ones where AI is doing something that was genuinely impossible or impractical before — not just faster or cheaper. That bar is higher than most builders think.alex1138 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Facebook especially is bad because I don't think Zuck cares. His entire personal history is shady. People have been missing posts for YEARS, well beyond the last few years when it got really badOh and messages https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6090712RustSupremacist 50 days ago | prev | next [–] We need to go back to when the front page of the site was only Rust posts.rainmaking 52 days ago | prev | next [–] You're absolutely right!himata4113 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I think this is a problem unique to facebook / meta. I mean the camera roll has a dedicated "ai images" at the top instead of... your active camera like every other app.This all started with zucks obsession with virtual avatars and you can really see this in VR.dartharva 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Unfortunate that it took so long for you to realize social networks are just a river of outrage and slop, because it has literally always been so for a decade before AI even became a thing - it's just that now AI has made the cheapness immediately visible.Enjoy your newfound freedom and live a real life.antiterra 52 days ago | parent | next [–] No. Something genuine has been lost.I used to be able to curate my feed and pay attention to people I knew. I could see the photo projects my friends were working on, hear about life updates from past acquaintances, or reach out if someone was having a rough time.Now, all cohorts, from recent coworkers to childhood friends I made before the first web browser, routinely spew paragraphs of LLM slop to shill a career coaching podcast. It’s Invasion of the Body Snatchers.Social networks are only a small part of it. It’s email, mailing lists, billboards, sheets of paper stapled to utility poles, newspaper articles, dentist office phone lines, jigsaw puzzles, home furnishings, homework assigned to grade schoolers, birthday cards and on and on.sumanep 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] There is no real life anymore because even if you realize how fucked up things are, people around you will keep swiming in that river of outrage and slop life became. World is so fucked upzacyungblut 52 days ago | parent | prev | next [–] Wise wordswqtz 52 days ago | prev | next [–] If you can afford it hire a virtual assistant and have them filter things for you and curate stuff. If you are suffering through things to find glimpses of enjoyment it is best you outsource your suffering to someone dedicated. Seriously, I had a $5 dollar an hour assistant who did all sorts random stuff for me. This even included curating things to read, talking to professional acquaintances on behalf of me using a script. It will cost you around 200-300 dollar a month but with the right person you can skip the BS.bryan_w 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Sounds like you need a cyberdeckJamesbeam 52 days ago | prev | next [–] I would be miserable too if my job had to do with anything Internet.It has gone from this cool inter-human knowledge hub and space for creation to a place where everyone tries to sell you something and make the sales pitch unskippable. It’s miserable.It started getting weird when the full home invasion of Internet-connected nonsense started. I have eyes, I can see there is no milk in the fridge, I don’t need a push notification or glowing circle that says, “May I have your attention, please? Here are five Bezos offers for milk.”I put up a wall of cheap 3D-printed waterproof enclosures near the local train station with the one in the middle having a handwritten letter from me and a bunch of blank sheets behind it, that asks people to write down knowledge that they think is useful for the rest of the community.Only rules, no AI-generated content or printouts from websites. If it’s not handwritten or has ads, everyone passing by is allowed to remove and destroy it.Everything else stays for exactly one week, then it gets removed to make space for something new.If every enclosure is full, I put a few more up and watch and remove those who stay empty at the end of the week.Went through 600 sheets of paper so far but people also started putting little hand-drawn artworks and their own colourful paper sheets in by themselves so the cost is more than manageable, as I just walk into the local town hall and take a bunch of paper from their copy stations from time to time.Every week I go there to remove the letters from people and collect them in folders to make space for new ones. From live advice to cooking recipes with local ingredients, art, poetry, it’s pretty cool to see how many people are getting off the Internet and rather spending time doing this for their local community.Often when the news are bad and I feel stressed and the next catastrophe is looming I go there with some coffee and watch people look at everything and talk about the stuff put up.Soon I am running out of wall and will have to look for an extra space.I simply do not longer believe in sharing valuable knowledge over the Internet as it gets hammered by AI crawlers and then integrated into models and no longer giving credit to the people who created it. So why bother.My prediction is, that the more (generative) AI is used on the internet, the smaller the world will become.Most of you will have a miserable life if your livelihood belongs to slaving away for companies relying on being present on the internet, and local knowledge hubs, which are reserved for human knowledge and creativity only, will be the places you meet real people and enjoy sharing knowledge and culture again.I think AI having the potential to kill the current iteration of the Internet will probably be the best thing it is capable of doing for humanity.Adapting is what we humans are best at, and I think most humans will adapt away from an internet mostly free of human-first created knowledge and culture. With a bit of luck I’ll live long enough to see if I am right.gigatree 51 days ago | parent | next [–] That is really really coolAnd I think you’re right that AI will give a lot of people the push they’ve needed to get back to real life, even if at the same time it pulls a majority of people further into the matrixrakshitpandit 52 days ago | prev | next [–] AI for productivity is something I advocate for! But I hate the AI content spreading all over social media. Many times I see a man or a woman on IG and unlike early Gen AI days where you could tell in a flash if this is real or AI. But now it's very very difficult to tell and I hate that. I'm not sure why social media is not putting a stop to it.butz 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Whole this "GenAI" nonsense just made me appreciate handrafted code more. I really like diving deep into documentation to figure out how things work and actually understand why something does not. YMMW.keyle 52 days ago | prev | next [–] Hear, hear, friend, you might have missed web 2.0. Oh web 2.0. The designers like myself were so sick of this nonsense.AI is the same, but amplified and affecting a lot more people.So I just recall Web 2.0 era and know that this too, shall pass.spatley 52 days ago | prev | next [–] AI slop everywhere on social is terrible; I grant you that.But AI tool in the hands of professionals that care about what they produce is becoming revolutionary. We are doing things we would never have done. Projects I never would have even started I am doing with new enthusiasm. I and the people I work with are using agents to learn new topics so fast. AI makes mistakes all the time, I found myself getting gaslit last week that refreshing my auth token would update my permissions (authentication and authorization are not the same thing)If you are just looking at the output in images and garbage posts. Yes it is an abomination that must be stopped. But I cannot imagine a world without it now. And for the better.maplethorpe 52 days ago | parent | next [–] > I and the people I work with are using agents to learn new topics so fast.I'm a person who loves learning but I don't really understand this claim. My brain quickly reaches a saturation point when learning new topics. I need to leave and come back multiple times until I begin to understand, but this seems to me to be a normal part of the process. It's the struggle that forms the connections in my brain.Being spoon-fed information isn't the same as learning, to