So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Leah, you're far more active in the Voidlinux than I am; what's the state of Voidlinux regarding upstream AI slop? Any chance for there to be a void-repo-nonslop, or rather a void-repo-sloppy ?
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May 29 Leah Neukirchen@leah@blahaj.social
@datenwolf In general we keep packaging what upstream deems stable.
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May 29 mirabilos @mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
@leah@datenwolf
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May 28 The Seven Voyages Of Steve@sinbad
@JeremiahFieldhaven Christ if it’s coming for rsync of all things software is clearly done
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May 28 Erik Johnson@distractal@hachyderm.io
@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven What an idiotic thing to do to a piece of software with a venerable past and whose key feature is its reliability. All these OSS maintainers just burning decades of trust over a perceived 10-ish % “efficiency gain” with snowballing amounts of evidence to the contrary, and a looming bubble implosion on the horizon.
So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven Though I'm not sure how much the 10-ish % "efficiency gain" is when I can ask an agent to solve a problem for me in 5-15 minutes, or I can spend literally hours poring over a code base to understand what I need to do to fix it myself.
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May 29 Erik Johnson@distractal@hachyderm.io
@chris@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven Here's my question... is it really, solving the problem for you? Like, actually? Given all of the costs in the full context of how it operates?
I don't believe that it is.
Can you trust everything it outputs? Are you able to catch any problems with it 100% of the time? Are you somehow able to avoid it anchoring your thinking around a particular method?
Let's assume it does solve the problem, and that somehow a purely ethical AI is produced that magically solves the labor, environment, plagiarism issues, and that is correct 100% of the time.
Even if it does, you are slowly eroding your ability to solve problems of that nature independent of the agent.
No matter how careful you are, no matter how smart, how skilled, how well-versed.
You cannot beat cognitive surrender.
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May 29 Erik Johnson@distractal@hachyderm.io
@chris@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven So, given that we have NOT solved all those other problems, do you think there's even a 10% efficiency gain?
I think I was pretty generous with 10%.
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I'm fighting cognitive surrender every day. Either I get tasks done quickly, or I just give up and don't do anything at all. I mean, I could just go back to wallowing in self destructive ideation for hours on end.
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May 29 meta physical deflationist @glassresistor@sfba.social
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven i dont think you know what those words mean
and if your solveing depression with AI well thats depressing and sounds like how people talk about alcohol
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@glassresistor@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I must not know what any of that means, or I wouldn't have said it. You remind me of my brother, who compared my computer use with his gambling addiction. I'm sure those things are the same thing.
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@glassresistor@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven Is it not cognitive surrender if I want to turn my brain off on a regular basis? This thread is making me want to do that right now. I can do the next best thing and go play video games instead.
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May 29 meta physical deflationist @glassresistor@sfba.social
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven could you define cognitive surrender?
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@glassresistor Nope! I don't know in the slightest what it means, and I can't guess either. I also have to consult a dictionary to define pretty much anything in a reasonable fashion, so I guess I have no firm grasp of the English language, either.
I bet like most of the people I've run into on this network of servers, that you probably have a doctorate on the subject, though. Everyone I know seems to have a doctorate on something, while I, the lowly slacker, never aspired to finish public school and took the GED to get the hell out of structured education. Discipline is not for me. More like being constantly disciplined.
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May 29 Maya@engideer@tech.lgbt
@chris@glassresistor You gotta be one of the most self-pitying, martyr-acting dudes I've ever seen, holy shit
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May 29 Maya@engideer@tech.lgbt
@chris@glassresistor Honestly though I would advise to seek a therapist to work through your issues with, genuinely.
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@engideer@glassresistor Couldn't afford the $155 per session.
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May 29 Maya@engideer@tech.lgbt
@chris@glassresistor Ugh, American healthcare system, that sucks :(
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@engideer@glassresistor The therapist was sort of working out, but doesn't take my insurance. I may find something that does take Medicaid eventually.
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May 29 Maya@engideer@tech.lgbt
@chris@glassresistor Best of luck. Personally therapy has absolutely helped me with my issues. Not fully yet, but it's an iterative process ^^
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@engideer@glassresistor Maybe I can find a telehealth therapist who isn't so expensive, or my insurance covers, and serves California. The first one I tried, I got set up for an appointment, before they realized I was in California and they don't have a license that covers that state.
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May 29 meta physical deflationist @glassresistor@sfba.social
@chris@engideer wait but you can afford a coding agent? thats wild i highly suspect youll not to be able to afford the coding agent soon either.
i sincenely hope you find a support group or something they are free
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May 29 David Gerard@davidgerard@circumstances.run
@chris@glassresistor@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven yeah, they literally are the same thing. The "hooked" loop. https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/06/05/gen erative-ai-runs-on-gambling-addiction-just-one-more-prompt-bro/
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May 29 Vincent Sparks@AVincentInSpace@furry.engineer
@chris Just like I'm sure that saying cognitive surrender is not something a person can "fight" and saying that fighting depression with a chatbot is likely to make the depression worse in the long term is the same as comparing using a computer to gambling.
Jesus Christ, get over yourself.
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May 29 meta physical deflationist @glassresistor@sfba.social
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven curious how close to addiction itll feel like at 10x the cost
and my dude outside of $ loss if your gaming like an addict its an addiction
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May 29 Chuck@ChuckMcManis@chaos.social
@glassresistor
I'd chime in here and say that good people suffer from substance abuse. Living in Las Vegas and watching the penny pinchers succumb to a big payout from a slot machine was both fascinating and very sad. AI gives a programmer the illusion that they are now the power code maker they always envisioned themselves to be. That isn't much different than cocaine. We're losing good people to this.
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 30 blausand @blausand@chaos.social
"AI is like ~the internet is like~ television:
it makes smart people smarter and dumb people dumber"
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May 31 Liam Proven@lproven@vivaldi.net
@blausand You have put the strikethrough in the wrong place, but more to the point, no, I think that's wrong. I've yet to see any solid evidence it makes anyone smarter under any circumstances.
They say or maybe even think they're smarter, yes, but that is not the same thing.
This is all about appearance versus fact, and that's what you have muddled up.
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May 31 Hari Seldon's dead hand@Lefty@mas.to
@blausand
~...~ = strikeout
Learn something new every day
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May 31 blausand @blausand@chaos.social
@Lefty Ja, wäre halt voll schön wenn der server das parsen könnte oder mein client, aber wir ha'm ja erst 2026, schau dort, ein Eichhörnchen!
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May 31 Hari Seldon's dead hand@Lefty@mas.to
@blausand
Könnten wir nicht einfach eine Schriftart verwenden, die Strikeout hat?
Ich benutze Google Translate, weil ich ein uniglotter Amerikaner bin.
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May 31 blausand @blausand@chaos.social
Glitch and Hometown are forks of Mastodon server that allow for basic rich text.
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Jun 4 Piotr Esden-Tempski@esden@chaos.social
@ChuckMcManis just at to be clear these systems are addictive by design not by accident https://www.404media.co/microsoft-wants-to-make-people-addicted-to-scout-its-new-ai-assistant-internal-documents-reveal/@glassresistor@sfba.social@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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Jun 4 Chuck@ChuckMcManis@chaos.social
@esden
To quote the that famous philosopher David Byrne, "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was."
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 29 Kellegram@Kellegram@mastodon.online
@chris
If the choice is between ruining something important with LLM slop or not doing anything, the latter is the correct choice. If you want to make yourself stupider that's your choice but the moment you ruin a public project with it, that's a different story. The public is not your therapist.
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May 29 gsec@gsc@mathstodon.xyz
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven if you really could, I'd encourage you to do so. Edit: referring more to the ideation part, rather than the self destruction
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May 29 Trantion@trantion@masto.ai
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven This sounds like burnout or too much boring work. I felt similar a couple of years ago, just couldn't motivate myself to do most tasks. But in my new job, I really enjoy the feeling of working out solutions and learning new things. I can't imagine wanting to hand all that over to an AI, but I'm sorry if you're feeling that way
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@trantion@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I don't always hand it all over to an AI. If it looks like an interesting task I can fulfill easily, I will do it on my own. It's just that I've fallen into the trap of asking prompts to solve what seem like "quick" problems. Unfortunately, some of them are not so quick, since projects don't agree with the reports I used to draft the solution.
For example, a bug currently affecting Wine Wayland under Mutter, Gnome's compositor. Somehow Wine Wayland is abusing a not-well-defined behavior of the protocol that ends up waiting on FIFO protocol on unmapped windows, and both KWin and wlroots happen to dodge this bullet by ignoring FIFO on unmapped surfaces already. Mutter doesn't want to do this the same way, and the developers aren't being terribly forthcoming about what I should do about this. My last attempt at a solution turned out to be wrong according to them, and the second attempt, I chose poorly for the solution strategy again.
I should just let the two sides fight it out, except this unmitigated issue results in Proton CachyOS simply hanging on startup half the time, and only on Gnome/Mutter. I guess I can just carry my workaround locally and be the only person who benefits from the incorrect solution.
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May 29 chris Digital Sovereignty@chrispy@chaos.social
@distractal@chris@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
I am sharing a critical view regarding 'cognitive surrender', yet a reality check on expectations:
"... a purely ethical AI is produced that magically solves the labor, environment, plagiarism issues, and that is correct 100% of the time."
=> does code written by humans fulfill all these criteria, I mean even approximately?
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May 29 goedelchen@goedelchen@mastodontech.de
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
"So my systems... started to fail on anything but a full backup."
that doesn't sound like "solve a problem for me in 5-15 minutes" That doesn't sound like solving a problem at all.
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May 29 𐑮𐑨𐑛𐑦𐑒𐑩 ·𐑦𐑒𐑕𐑡𐑱@xjix@merveilles.town
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
Its a common misconception that LLMs can solve problems. They are, fundamentally, pattern matching systems. I have to use these at work and review code that is co-authored by a model. Ime at least, producing slop is a human error caused by misunderstanding what LLMs are and what they can actually do.
This is why they are so good at picking up on security vulnerabilities. They look for permutations of known attacks by identifying patterns. Some trivial fixes can be auto corrected, but a human always has to be in the loop to make any actual judgement calls. LLMs work in probability, not correctness.
I got bills to pay and my job is knowing how shit works. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism
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May 29 EndlessMason@EndlessMason@hachyderm.io
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
Efficiency gain doesn't even seem valuable when the project is pretty much done and feature complete
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May 29 Dr. Bruce Simpson@bms48@mastodon.social
@chris
You report success anecdotally. But do you feel this holds vs the METR paper last summer, showing the 19% loss in performance for developers using LLM-driven code assistants?
That paper aged like fine milk. https://medium.com/@NMitchem/something-flipped-in-december-423e8b808262
Medium · Feb 27Something Flipped in DecemberIn July 2025, the most rigorous study ever conducted on AI coding tools found they made experienced developers 19% slower. In February…
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Jun 1 Dr. Bruce Simpson@bms48@mastodon.social
@SvenGeier@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven@davidgerard Sorry, no. The article you cited in response does not constitute empirical evidence, it's just someone's opinionated blog post really. KLOCs are an inappropriate metric to counter the conclusion of the METR paper. If you assert that "volume of code" is a productivity metric, your ideas about software and the nature of software production itself are highly questionable. Never confuse "velocity" with "progress".
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Jun 1 Σ(i³) = (Σi)²@SvenGeier@mathstodon.xyz
@bms48
If you actually read the article, you'll find that METR themselves redid the study you're citing and came up with a different result.
@SvenGeier@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven@davidgerard I'd even question the title of the article: "Something Flipped in December". No. Nothing did. People are still cargo-culting KLOCs as a software productivity metric decades after this was debunked thoroughly. Show me a SOTA empirical study based on SOTA software complexity metrics e.g. SonarSource and I'll take them more seriously. Otherwise it really is just more burden-of-proof cheerleading guff. Merely applying reason here
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May 29 chx@chx@chx.contact
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven you can ask all you want, that's for sure
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May 29 Annika Backstrom @annika@xoxo.zone
@chris Learning is forever but a Claude Code subscription bills monthly.
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May 29 krig@krig@goto.liten.app
@chris Your understanding of the code base was lacking, so you spent 5-15 minutes making it worse. Is that really the way to go?
@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 29 jgeorge@jgeorge@oldbytes.space
@krig@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I always thought that the proper response to “not understanding the code base” was to “not submit changes to it”?
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May 29 Orb 2069@Orb2069@mastodon.online
@chris
"Solve"
@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 29 Dr. Bruce Simpson@bms48@mastodon.social
@distractal
@davidgerard
@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I am using rsync.net but I am not using rsync at all these days. Historically when I've set up ZFS clusters I've used SSH tunneled zfs send/receive with rsync as a fallback via zxfer. If I needed rsync-like functionality I'd probably resort to rclone. If I needed to spam config files to multiple FreeBSD instances without fullblown orchestration solutions I'd use modern rdist which Cy Schubert now maintains. So my exposure to this is very low.
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May 29 sosquqer@sosquqer@en.osm.town
@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
It's in curl also, see https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-s lopware#networking. Not that I fully agree with the sentiment of that list, but it is useful to keep track of such things
Codeberg.orgopen-slopwareFree/Open Source Software choosing to use and/or support LLM usage/AI, as well as alternatives and tips to requesting better policies or forking.
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May 29 ltning@ltning@anduin.net
@sosquqer Maybe don't cite that list .. they're not being honest, and in the curl case it's worth reading or watching the authors own musings on this (he's on here). I don't agree with everything but it is at least an honest and informed take. Quite unlike this list.
Cc @sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 29 Dr. Bruce Simpson@bms48@mastodon.social
@sosquqer
@anyia
@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven The "open-slopware" list mischaracterizes FreeBSD as having a "permissive" policy. There is no official policy, yet, to my knowledge. Although LLM-driven bug discovery is tolerated, LLM code generation is informally not tolerated within src, but tolerated for ported software (but not ports metadata). That is how I've seen things playing out so far. Documentation remains totally human written to the best of my knowledge.
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May 28 mav @mav@masto.hackers.town
@JeremiahFieldhaven
Oh damn it all. Tridge has fallen
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May 29 Daniel Gibson@DoomedDaniel
@mav@JeremiahFieldhaven
Andrew Tridge has fallen down,
fallen down, fallen down, ...
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Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Leah, you're far more active in the Voidlinux than I am; what's the state of Voidlinux regarding upstream AI slop? Any chance for there to be a void-repo-nonslop, or rather a void-repo-sloppy ?
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May 29 Leah Neukirchen@leah@blahaj.social
@datenwolf In general we keep packaging what upstream deems stable.
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May 29 mirabilos @mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
@leah@datenwolf
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May 28 The Seven Voyages Of Steve@sinbad
@JeremiahFieldhaven Christ if it’s coming for rsync of all things software is clearly done
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May 28 Erik Johnson@distractal@hachyderm.io
@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven What an idiotic thing to do to a piece of software with a venerable past and whose key feature is its reliability. All these OSS maintainers just burning decades of trust over a perceived 10-ish % “efficiency gain” with snowballing amounts of evidence to the contrary, and a looming bubble implosion on the horizon.
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven Though I'm not sure how much the 10-ish % "efficiency gain" is when I can ask an agent to solve a problem for me in 5-15 minutes, or I can spend literally hours poring over a code base to understand what I need to do to fix it myself.
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May 29 Erik Johnson@distractal@hachyderm.io
@chris@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven Here's my question... is it really, solving the problem for you? Like, actually? Given all of the costs in the full context of how it operates?
I don't believe that it is.
Can you trust everything it outputs? Are you able to catch any problems with it 100% of the time? Are you somehow able to avoid it anchoring your thinking around a particular method?
Let's assume it does solve the problem, and that somehow a purely ethical AI is produced that magically solves the labor, environment, plagiarism issues, and that is correct 100% of the time.
Even if it does, you are slowly eroding your ability to solve problems of that nature independent of the agent.
No matter how careful you are, no matter how smart, how skilled, how well-versed.
You cannot beat cognitive surrender.
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May 29 Erik Johnson@distractal@hachyderm.io
@chris@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven So, given that we have NOT solved all those other problems, do you think there's even a 10% efficiency gain?
I think I was pretty generous with 10%.
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I'm fighting cognitive surrender every day. Either I get tasks done quickly, or I just give up and don't do anything at all. I mean, I could just go back to wallowing in self destructive ideation for hours on end.
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May 29 meta physical deflationist @glassresistor@sfba.social
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven i dont think you know what those words mean
and if your solveing depression with AI well thats depressing and sounds like how people talk about alcohol
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@glassresistor@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I must not know what any of that means, or I wouldn't have said it. You remind me of my brother, who compared my computer use with his gambling addiction. I'm sure those things are the same thing.
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@glassresistor@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven Is it not cognitive surrender if I want to turn my brain off on a regular basis? This thread is making me want to do that right now. I can do the next best thing and go play video games instead.
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May 29 meta physical deflationist @glassresistor@sfba.social
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven could you define cognitive surrender?
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@glassresistor Nope! I don't know in the slightest what it means, and I can't guess either. I also have to consult a dictionary to define pretty much anything in a reasonable fashion, so I guess I have no firm grasp of the English language, either.
I bet like most of the people I've run into on this network of servers, that you probably have a doctorate on the subject, though. Everyone I know seems to have a doctorate on something, while I, the lowly slacker, never aspired to finish public school and took the GED to get the hell out of structured education. Discipline is not for me. More like being constantly disciplined.
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May 29 Maya@engideer@tech.lgbt
@chris@glassresistor You gotta be one of the most self-pitying, martyr-acting dudes I've ever seen, holy shit
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May 29 Maya@engideer@tech.lgbt
@chris@glassresistor Honestly though I would advise to seek a therapist to work through your issues with, genuinely.
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@engideer@glassresistor Couldn't afford the $155 per session.
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May 29 Maya@engideer@tech.lgbt
@chris@glassresistor Ugh, American healthcare system, that sucks :(
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@engideer@glassresistor The therapist was sort of working out, but doesn't take my insurance. I may find something that does take Medicaid eventually.
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May 29 Maya@engideer@tech.lgbt
@chris@glassresistor Best of luck. Personally therapy has absolutely helped me with my issues. Not fully yet, but it's an iterative process ^^
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@engideer@glassresistor Maybe I can find a telehealth therapist who isn't so expensive, or my insurance covers, and serves California. The first one I tried, I got set up for an appointment, before they realized I was in California and they don't have a license that covers that state.
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May 29 meta physical deflationist @glassresistor@sfba.social
@chris@engideer wait but you can afford a coding agent? thats wild i highly suspect youll not to be able to afford the coding agent soon either.
i sincenely hope you find a support group or something they are free
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May 29 David Gerard@davidgerard@circumstances.run
@chris@glassresistor@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven yeah, they literally are the same thing. The "hooked" loop. https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/06/05/gen erative-ai-runs-on-gambling-addiction-just-one-more-prompt-bro/
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May 29 Vincent Sparks@AVincentInSpace@furry.engineer
@chris Just like I'm sure that saying cognitive surrender is not something a person can "fight" and saying that fighting depression with a chatbot is likely to make the depression worse in the long term is the same as comparing using a computer to gambling.
Jesus Christ, get over yourself.
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May 29 meta physical deflationist @glassresistor@sfba.social
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven curious how close to addiction itll feel like at 10x the cost
and my dude outside of $ loss if your gaming like an addict its an addiction
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May 29 Chuck@ChuckMcManis@chaos.social
@glassresistor
I'd chime in here and say that good people suffer from substance abuse. Living in Las Vegas and watching the penny pinchers succumb to a big payout from a slot machine was both fascinating and very sad. AI gives a programmer the illusion that they are now the power code maker they always envisioned themselves to be. That isn't much different than cocaine. We're losing good people to this.
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 30 blausand @blausand@chaos.social
"AI is like ~the internet is like~ television:
it makes smart people smarter and dumb people dumber"
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May 31 Liam Proven@lproven@vivaldi.net
@blausand You have put the strikethrough in the wrong place, but more to the point, no, I think that's wrong. I've yet to see any solid evidence it makes anyone smarter under any circumstances.
They say or maybe even think they're smarter, yes, but that is not the same thing.
This is all about appearance versus fact, and that's what you have muddled up.
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May 31 Hari Seldon's dead hand@Lefty@mas.to
@blausand
~...~ = strikeout
Learn something new every day
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May 31 blausand @blausand@chaos.social
@Lefty Ja, wäre halt voll schön wenn der server das parsen könnte oder mein client, aber wir ha'm ja erst 2026, schau dort, ein Eichhörnchen!
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May 31 Hari Seldon's dead hand@Lefty@mas.to
@blausand
Könnten wir nicht einfach eine Schriftart verwenden, die Strikeout hat?
Ich benutze Google Translate, weil ich ein uniglotter Amerikaner bin.
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May 31 blausand @blausand@chaos.social
Glitch and Hometown are forks of Mastodon server that allow for basic rich text.
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Jun 4 Piotr Esden-Tempski@esden@chaos.social
@ChuckMcManis just at to be clear these systems are addictive by design not by accident https://www.404media.co/microsoft-wants-to-make-people-addicted-to-scout-its-new-ai-assistant-internal-documents-reveal/@glassresistor@sfba.social@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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Jun 4 Chuck@ChuckMcManis@chaos.social
@esden
To quote the that famous philosopher David Byrne, "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was."
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 29 Kellegram@Kellegram@mastodon.online
@chris
If the choice is between ruining something important with LLM slop or not doing anything, the latter is the correct choice. If you want to make yourself stupider that's your choice but the moment you ruin a public project with it, that's a different story. The public is not your therapist.
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May 29 gsec@gsc@mathstodon.xyz
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven if you really could, I'd encourage you to do so. Edit: referring more to the ideation part, rather than the self destruction
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May 29 Trantion@trantion@masto.ai
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven This sounds like burnout or too much boring work. I felt similar a couple of years ago, just couldn't motivate myself to do most tasks. But in my new job, I really enjoy the feeling of working out solutions and learning new things. I can't imagine wanting to hand all that over to an AI, but I'm sorry if you're feeling that way
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May 29 Christopher Snowhill@chris@social.losno.co
@trantion@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I don't always hand it all over to an AI. If it looks like an interesting task I can fulfill easily, I will do it on my own. It's just that I've fallen into the trap of asking prompts to solve what seem like "quick" problems. Unfortunately, some of them are not so quick, since projects don't agree with the reports I used to draft the solution.
For example, a bug currently affecting Wine Wayland under Mutter, Gnome's compositor. Somehow Wine Wayland is abusing a not-well-defined behavior of the protocol that ends up waiting on FIFO protocol on unmapped windows, and both KWin and wlroots happen to dodge this bullet by ignoring FIFO on unmapped surfaces already. Mutter doesn't want to do this the same way, and the developers aren't being terribly forthcoming about what I should do about this. My last attempt at a solution turned out to be wrong according to them, and the second attempt, I chose poorly for the solution strategy again.
I should just let the two sides fight it out, except this unmitigated issue results in Proton CachyOS simply hanging on startup half the time, and only on Gnome/Mutter. I guess I can just carry my workaround locally and be the only person who benefits from the incorrect solution.
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May 29 chris Digital Sovereignty@chrispy@chaos.social
@distractal@chris@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
I am sharing a critical view regarding 'cognitive surrender', yet a reality check on expectations:
"... a purely ethical AI is produced that magically solves the labor, environment, plagiarism issues, and that is correct 100% of the time."
=> does code written by humans fulfill all these criteria, I mean even approximately?
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May 29 goedelchen@goedelchen@mastodontech.de
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
"So my systems... started to fail on anything but a full backup."
that doesn't sound like "solve a problem for me in 5-15 minutes" That doesn't sound like solving a problem at all.
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May 29 𐑮𐑨𐑛𐑦𐑒𐑩 ·𐑦𐑒𐑕𐑡𐑱@xjix@merveilles.town
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
Its a common misconception that LLMs can solve problems. They are, fundamentally, pattern matching systems. I have to use these at work and review code that is co-authored by a model. Ime at least, producing slop is a human error caused by misunderstanding what LLMs are and what they can actually do.
This is why they are so good at picking up on security vulnerabilities. They look for permutations of known attacks by identifying patterns. Some trivial fixes can be auto corrected, but a human always has to be in the loop to make any actual judgement calls. LLMs work in probability, not correctness.
I got bills to pay and my job is knowing how shit works. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism
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May 29 EndlessMason@EndlessMason@hachyderm.io
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
Efficiency gain doesn't even seem valuable when the project is pretty much done and feature complete
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May 29 Dr. Bruce Simpson@bms48@mastodon.social
@chris
You report success anecdotally. But do you feel this holds vs the METR paper last summer, showing the 19% loss in performance for developers using LLM-driven code assistants?
That paper aged like fine milk. https://medium.com/@NMitchem/something-flipped-in-december-423e8b808262
Medium · Feb 27Something Flipped in DecemberIn July 2025, the most rigorous study ever conducted on AI coding tools found they made experienced developers 19% slower. In February…
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Jun 1 Dr. Bruce Simpson@bms48@mastodon.social
@SvenGeier@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven@davidgerard Sorry, no. The article you cited in response does not constitute empirical evidence, it's just someone's opinionated blog post really. KLOCs are an inappropriate metric to counter the conclusion of the METR paper. If you assert that "volume of code" is a productivity metric, your ideas about software and the nature of software production itself are highly questionable. Never confuse "velocity" with "progress".
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Jun 1 Σ(i³) = (Σi)²@SvenGeier@mathstodon.xyz
@bms48
If you actually read the article, you'll find that METR themselves redid the study you're citing and came up with a different result.
@SvenGeier@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven@davidgerard I'd even question the title of the article: "Something Flipped in December". No. Nothing did. People are still cargo-culting KLOCs as a software productivity metric decades after this was debunked thoroughly. Show me a SOTA empirical study based on SOTA software complexity metrics e.g. SonarSource and I'll take them more seriously. Otherwise it really is just more burden-of-proof cheerleading guff. Merely applying reason here
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May 29 chx@chx@chx.contact
@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven you can ask all you want, that's for sure
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May 29 Annika Backstrom @annika@xoxo.zone
@chris Learning is forever but a Claude Code subscription bills monthly.
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May 29 krig@krig@goto.liten.app
@chris Your understanding of the code base was lacking, so you spent 5-15 minutes making it worse. Is that really the way to go?
@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 29 jgeorge@jgeorge@oldbytes.space
@krig@chris@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I always thought that the proper response to “not understanding the code base” was to “not submit changes to it”?
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May 29 Orb 2069@Orb2069@mastodon.online
@chris
"Solve"
@distractal@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 29 Dr. Bruce Simpson@bms48@mastodon.social
@distractal
@davidgerard
@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven I am using rsync.net but I am not using rsync at all these days. Historically when I've set up ZFS clusters I've used SSH tunneled zfs send/receive with rsync as a fallback via zxfer. If I needed rsync-like functionality I'd probably resort to rclone. If I needed to spam config files to multiple FreeBSD instances without fullblown orchestration solutions I'd use modern rdist which Cy Schubert now maintains. So my exposure to this is very low.
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May 29 sosquqer@sosquqer@en.osm.town
@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
It's in curl also, see https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-s lopware#networking. Not that I fully agree with the sentiment of that list, but it is useful to keep track of such things
Codeberg.orgopen-slopwareFree/Open Source Software choosing to use and/or support LLM usage/AI, as well as alternatives and tips to requesting better policies or forking.
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May 29 ltning@ltning@anduin.net
@sosquqer Maybe don't cite that list .. they're not being honest, and in the curl case it's worth reading or watching the authors own musings on this (he's on here). I don't agree with everything but it is at least an honest and informed take. Quite unlike this list.
Cc @sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven
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May 29 Dr. Bruce Simpson@bms48@mastodon.social
@sosquqer
@anyia
@sinbad@JeremiahFieldhaven The "open-slopware" list mischaracterizes FreeBSD as having a "permissive" policy. There is no official policy, yet, to my knowledge. Although LLM-driven bug discovery is tolerated, LLM code generation is informally not tolerated within src, but tolerated for ported software (but not ports metadata). That is how I've seen things playing out so far. Documentation remains totally human written to the best of my knowledge.
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May 28 mav @mav@masto.hackers.town
@JeremiahFieldhaven
Oh damn it all. Tridge has fallen
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May 29 Daniel Gibson@DoomedDaniel
@mav@JeremiahFieldhaven
Andrew Tridge has fallen down,
fallen down, fallen down, ...
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