swyx 🇸🇬@swyx
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2026-07-31 10:27· 16分钟前
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swyx 指出,若预训练数据质量要求高到 Common Crawl 不够用,实验室就不得不自建全网爬虫与索引,最终相当于把“私有低频版 Google”做成预训练的副产物,并可复用于智能体推理。引用 @simonw 称,Anthropic 和 OpenAI 的产品重度依赖搜索,却都隐藏底层搜索索引。

verbalizing one of those aha moments i had that seems retroactively pretty obvious:

if you prioritize pretrain data quality enough that commoncrawl isn't good enough for you, you have to build a Whole Web scraper anyway, and if you wanna keep it current, you have to have indexing, and pretty soon you find yourself having built a total private low-frequency clone of Google as a SIDE PROJECT of pretraining, that you can then also reuse for the agent side inference.

we do know that the labs do use third party search providers, but clearly this is one of those things where developing more and more of your own 1P equivalents is both a competitive advantage and an adversarial target for AEO Batesian Mimicry* that you will not want to share.

Simon WillisonIt's wild to me that both Anthropic and OpenAI have products that lean so hard on search, and yet they both obscure the underlying search index that they are us...
swyx 🇸🇬 · @swyx · X·2026-07-31 10:27·16分钟前
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AI 摘要

swyx 指出,若预训练数据质量要求高到 Common Crawl 不够用,实验室就不得不自建全网爬虫与索引,最终相当于把“私有低频版 Google”做成预训练的副产物,并可复用于智能体推理。引用 @simonw 称,Anthropic 和 OpenAI 的产品重度依赖搜索,却都隐藏底层搜索索引。

verbalizing one of those aha moments i had that seems retroactively pretty obvious:

if you prioritize pretrain data quality enough that commoncrawl isn't good enough for you, you have to build a Whole Web scraper anyway, and if you wanna keep it current, you have to have indexing, and pretty soon you find yourself having built a total private low-frequency clone of Google as a SIDE PROJECT of pretraining, that you can then also reuse for the agent side inference.

we do know that the labs do use third party search providers, but clearly this is one of those things where developing more and more of your own 1P equivalents is both a competitive advantage and an adversarial target for AEO Batesian Mimicry* that you will not want to share.

Simon WillisonIt's wild to me that both Anthropic and OpenAI have products that lean so hard on search, and yet they both obscure the underlying search index that they are us...
在 X 查看原推x.com